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brady through 4 touch down pass and patriots hit and harbaugh played college ball at michigan. he was asked if he's closely followed the fellow michigan man. >> do i remember when he was there. sure. yes. yes. followed him. we weren't there at the same time. i'm a little older. >>reporter: slightly. forty-niner players get one day off per week during the season. most just want to rest. try to heal up but the niners they also get out there in the community. mike was there when the crab shake suddenly broke out. video game publisher was demonstrating the latest game yesterday hip-hop dance experience to the local boys and girls club of san francisc francisco. this game uses nfl players and all of a sudden it came to life as forty-niner wide receiver michael crabtree showed up. >> it was amazing. he was like really is in and warm. >>reporter: michael got involved with them and donates 1,000 dollars for every touch down he catches to the boys an girls club of san francisco with his crab shake touch down dance which he demonstrated yesterday e.found icap donate to my charity. man. t
brady through 4 touch down pass and patriots hit and harbaugh played college ball at michigan. he was asked if he's closely followed the fellow michigan man. >> do i remember when he was there. sure. yes. yes. followed him. we weren't there at the same time. i'm a little older. >>reporter: slightly. forty-niner players get one day off per week during the season. most just want to rest. try to heal up but the niners they also get out there in the community. mike was there when the...
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beyond michigan. well here to answer that question is the chairman of michigan's democratic party he's mark brewer, the nation's longest-serving party chairman. he joins us from lansing. he knows this stuff in and out. mark, thanks so much for being here in "the war room" on this sad and infuriating night. >> thank you governor. it is great to be with you as always. >> jennifer: all right. tell us what does the success of these bills mean for the democratic party in michigan? >> certainly the intent of the republicans is that this be a mechanism to defund, to hurt money that goes to the democratic party. we've obtained rid of videotapes of ron wiser and others talking about this governor. >> jennifer: tell people who ron wiser is. >> ron wiser is the former chair of the republican party here. rich is the dnc finance chair. he along with your former opponent, dick devos and other rich folks have been planning this for years. they couldn't get away with it while you were governor but they saw their oppo
beyond michigan. well here to answer that question is the chairman of michigan's democratic party he's mark brewer, the nation's longest-serving party chairman. he joins us from lansing. he knows this stuff in and out. mark, thanks so much for being here in "the war room" on this sad and infuriating night. >> thank you governor. it is great to be with you as always. >> jennifer: all right. tell us what does the success of these bills mean for the democratic party in...
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congressman from michigan mark shower who served in the michigan state legislature for 12 years. thank you both for joining us. >> you're welcome. >> my pleasure. >> eliot: mark, let me begin with you. how could this happen in michigan? this is the bluest state we get. union movement has deep roots a deep history. what explains the dynamic that suddenly a right-to-work law a label i reject, how could this law pass in michigan? >> the irony is yesterday chrysler announced $120 million investment in michigan. 115 new jobs. michigan has helped lead the economic comeback for this country in part because of historic collective bargaining agreements between the detroit three and the united autoworkers. we have a labor management partnership that works. this, as you said was about politics. it was about gutting organized labor and the irony is i work for a labor management fund connected with a laborer's union and we invest almost $5 million a year in apprenticeship and training programs. we operate skilled workers to build complicated infrastructure projects like the governor wants to
congressman from michigan mark shower who served in the michigan state legislature for 12 years. thank you both for joining us. >> you're welcome. >> my pleasure. >> eliot: mark, let me begin with you. how could this happen in michigan? this is the bluest state we get. union movement has deep roots a deep history. what explains the dynamic that suddenly a right-to-work law a label i reject, how could this law pass in michigan? >> the irony is yesterday chrysler announced...
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>> well where we are seeing it is michigan michigan is coming back. i was interviewed by some woman from cnn yesterday. she said michigan's hemorrhaging jobs. i was like shocked. >> bill: where has she been? >> i am sitting there going, i couldn't believe i heard this on this headset. she said michigan is hemorrhaging jobs. isn't this going to help? i said where are you at? michigan is the comeback state. we are the one that's doing better. our unemployment is lower than the national average. we are hiring people in the auto industry. manufacturing is coming back. the teamsters we are getting more employees. there is no way about it. this is a setback. this is basically a continuation of the right-wing conspiracy, the tea party, and this is, you know, the karl roves, the grover norquists, the sheldon adelsons and the koch brothers. this is the same thing. this just didn't happen. this isn't the will of the people of michigan right now we are fighting this in new hampshire. we are fighting it in missouri and other states. b they get a republican govern
>> well where we are seeing it is michigan michigan is coming back. i was interviewed by some woman from cnn yesterday. she said michigan's hemorrhaging jobs. i was like shocked. >> bill: where has she been? >> i am sitting there going, i couldn't believe i heard this on this headset. she said michigan is hemorrhaging jobs. isn't this going to help? i said where are you at? michigan is the comeback state. we are the one that's doing better. our unemployment is lower than the...
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michigan's not a state! it's more of a dingle berry hanging off canada's -- (laughter). >> indiana's a great place to send jobs! it's got the weather of north dakota and the racial harmony of mississippi! (laughter) >> indiana didn't take michigan's jobs, all right? michael moore ate them! (laughter) >> jon: now that both indiana and michigan have the exact same right to work laws, though, how are you going to differentiate yourselves? >> right to work? jon, come on, that is so 11 months ago. indiana's latest pro-business measure is the workplace safety act. any business that relocates here gets to dump whatever they want wherever they want for free. lakes, rivers, wetlands. they take all factories toxic slurry. >> jon: you call that workplace safety act. >> studies show poisoning the environments cuts workplace beaver bites down to zero. no more raccoon maulings or slipping on the o *d toad on a factory floor. dow chemical is very interesting. >> that's no match for michigan's latest pro-business measure. w
michigan's not a state! it's more of a dingle berry hanging off canada's -- (laughter). >> indiana's a great place to send jobs! it's got the weather of north dakota and the racial harmony of mississippi! (laughter) >> indiana didn't take michigan's jobs, all right? michael moore ate them! (laughter) >> jon: now that both indiana and michigan have the exact same right to work laws, though, how are you going to differentiate yourselves? >> right to work? jon, come on,...
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in 1960, flint was michigan's second largest city 200,000 people. it also had a vibrant middle class, it's public school system was a model for the nation and that was due in large part to the strength of its labor unions and the large number of manufacturing workers living in flint. they took over a factory and they didn't leave until they reached a deal with management. workers occupied several general motor's plants. not for a day, a week but for month -- actually for longer than a month for 40-consecutive days and it worked. they got bargaining rights, and 40-hour workweek and a minimum wage. they had 100,000 people turned out in detroit to show their support for the striking workers in flint 100,000 people. and yesterday, 12,000 people turned out in lancing, michigan to protest against the state's new right to work law. it's a devastating blow to the heart of organized labor in this country, and perhaps no one knows more about than that that garl dean blankinship. >> my father called home one night, he was working on the second shift. he said w
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coming up tonight on the big picture despite thousands of protesters packing the state capitol tens of michigan republican state legislators today asked the republican governor rick snyder signed into law a highly controversial right to work for less bill and more and more states has the right to work for less laws what's the future of labor and in america and are we witnessing it's slow death also millions of senior citizen of the u.s. rely on medicare for life saving health care but republicans in congress don't seem to care are they launching an all out assault on medicare what's the real story behind that and republicans are just trying to destroy medicare they're trying to get rid of social security to the republicans only attacking social security because they're afraid to admit that it proves government can work. you need to know this michigan is now a right to work for a lot of state republicans rammed through the law this afternoon and it was promptly signed behind closed doors by republican governor rick snyder in response as many as fifty thousand workers converged on the michigan st
coming up tonight on the big picture despite thousands of protesters packing the state capitol tens of michigan republican state legislators today asked the republican governor rick snyder signed into law a highly controversial right to work for less bill and more and more states has the right to work for less laws what's the future of labor and in america and are we witnessing it's slow death also millions of senior citizen of the u.s. rely on medicare for life saving health care but...
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it also has ties to the family in michigan. of course, president obama weighed in on this yesterday when he was in the state of michigan. i think the president got right to the heart of the matter and was on point. >> these so-called right-to-work laws don't have anything to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. giving you the right to work for less money. >> joining me now is a reporter from mother jones magazine. great to have you with us, andy. take us behind the curtain and explain the relationship of the koch brothers and all of these right-to-work organizations that have been pushing this behind the scenes. >> what you see in michigan, behind the scenes as you say, are a number of grassroots groups that have names like americans for prosperity, michigan freedom fund and so forth. they are there to push lawmakers to pass right-to-work legislation, funded by some of the biggest interests on the conservative side. the koch brothers, we're talking about the prince family, eric prince used to run black w
it also has ties to the family in michigan. of course, president obama weighed in on this yesterday when he was in the state of michigan. i think the president got right to the heart of the matter and was on point. >> these so-called right-to-work laws don't have anything to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. giving you the right to work for less money. >> joining me now is a reporter from mother jones magazine. great to have you with us, andy. take us...
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history made in michigan. governor rick snyder officially signing right to work laws that diminish the power of unions. doug luzader is life in washington for us. >> michigan makes it 24 there are 2 dozen right to work states across the country. michigan may be the most significant because of the historic role it played in the growth of union power just decade after decade. it did get ugly outside of the state capitol there in lansing. there were huge protests outside of the capitol building. at one point union supporters had a small counter protest. steven crauter was punched several times. michigan's republican governor told bill o'reilly last night that the new law was about worker's rights. >> this legislation is about freedom to choose for workers, bill. this isn't about the relationship between employers and unions at all. this is not about collective bargaining at all. this is not about other basics e about organizing at all. this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> democrats fear t
history made in michigan. governor rick snyder officially signing right to work laws that diminish the power of unions. doug luzader is life in washington for us. >> michigan makes it 24 there are 2 dozen right to work states across the country. michigan may be the most significant because of the historic role it played in the growth of union power just decade after decade. it did get ugly outside of the state capitol there in lansing. there were huge protests outside of the capitol...
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they don't have jobs in michigan. do you know, by the way, this someone of my candidates for president, rick snyder. he's a magnificent governor and bless the legislator. detroit used to have millionaires than new york. it it was a beautiful city. they almost had the eolympics there. you can see the videos of what detroit was like. first it was dried by the mob with the race riots. then it was destroyed by the unions driving the jobs abroad. and people have the precise numbers on this. the amount of money you paid for a car that is paying for pensions of people who retired five years ago that's correct is a do youing state. one of the most beautiful states in the union and that's what happens. >> let me answer your great point. this is true. right now detroit is on the verge of bankruptcy. one of america's great cities. they have lost half their population. can go on the internet. i urge our viewers to go out there. you can buy homes in detroit for a thousand dollars. last time i was there, it was shocking how one boa
they don't have jobs in michigan. do you know, by the way, this someone of my candidates for president, rick snyder. he's a magnificent governor and bless the legislator. detroit used to have millionaires than new york. it it was a beautiful city. they almost had the eolympics there. you can see the videos of what detroit was like. first it was dried by the mob with the race riots. then it was destroyed by the unions driving the jobs abroad. and people have the precise numbers on this. the...
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here in michigan or creating a business here in michigan, you now as employees will have the choice whether to join a union or not to join a unit. >> do you have any sort of study to show this is in any way going to enhance the economy of michigan? can you point to other states? has this been a direct impact on their states, their economic viability. >> if you look at indiana, the amount of projects they are about to take and have undertaken have given their people a great tune to provide jobs in their communities. >> why do you think the governor changed his mind on this? a lot of people were talking, a lot of the contracts don't like it because they didn't like the process. it got pushed through quickly, and, b, the governor change the his mine the last couple months. >> the governor locked at it and said this is an opportunity that is here. it's bold. against it's historic because it puts michigan on the map as a place people are going to want to do business. >> why is an opportunity now and not before? >> he asked the leaders to stand down on it and they did not, so i'm not read
here in michigan or creating a business here in michigan, you now as employees will have the choice whether to join a union or not to join a unit. >> do you have any sort of study to show this is in any way going to enhance the economy of michigan? can you point to other states? has this been a direct impact on their states, their economic viability. >> if you look at indiana, the amount of projects they are about to take and have undertaken have given their people a great tune to...
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in michigan would lose. that number is over $46 million a year in dues. michigan, just one state. nationwide, we're not talking about public employee unions yet. let's do so, nationwide government employee unions collect, are you ready for this number? that is taxpayer money, going in the form of wes to the government class, if you will, public employees receiving and paying $14 billion in dues alone. that is what is at stake here. this is not just about money, it is not just about politics, it is about both. the right to power sought by organized labor. where does that money go? i have to tell you it goes straight to the president's party, the democratic party, during this election cycle, public system or unions and their afilliated packs gave of their millions and millions of dollars to the democrats, the demes received from those unions, think about this one. 93% went to the democratic party. 93%. notopoly that, unions made up a large part of the democratic ground both o operation on all , local, state an
in michigan would lose. that number is over $46 million a year in dues. michigan, just one state. nationwide, we're not talking about public employee unions yet. let's do so, nationwide government employee unions collect, are you ready for this number? that is taxpayer money, going in the form of wes to the government class, if you will, public employees receiving and paying $14 billion in dues alone. that is what is at stake here. this is not just about money, it is not just about politics, it...
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and in michigan. is there in your meetings, is there a strategy for coming back? are these setbacks seen as reversible? >> well, ezra, i see it as a reawake inning of people. dispiriting because the attacks have been so relentless. it's a attacks on workers, on planned parenthood, on immigrants. it's all connected in our minds. so we are reawakening and going to build a powerful movement that we're going to build power in the workplace, build power at the ballot box, build power in the communities. and make it crystal clear that snyder can't get away with this by building a more powerful worker community movement in the state of michigan and rebuilding a middle class, not just in michigan, but all across this country. >> supporters of these laws, i don't really like to call them right-to-work laws, i think it's just framing. but support sayers why should you, if you have been hired by an employer, gm maybe, why should you have to pay to be represented by a union that you didn't vote for and maybe that
and in michigan. is there in your meetings, is there a strategy for coming back? are these setbacks seen as reversible? >> well, ezra, i see it as a reawake inning of people. dispiriting because the attacks have been so relentless. it's a attacks on workers, on planned parenthood, on immigrants. it's all connected in our minds. so we are reawakening and going to build a powerful movement that we're going to build power in the workplace, build power at the ballot box, build power in the...
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we didn't have right to work in michigan and in the last decade from 2000 to 2010 wages in michigan went down substantially. we went from being in the teens of the 50 states to being 40th. so we saw a significant drop not being a right-to-work state. the last couple years we started coming back up, i view this as an opportunity for more people to have work and to have better jobs. just this last week we are ranked number three for high tech job growth in the entire country. and if you look at most of those jobs aren't going to be unionized and they are going to be good paying jobs. this is all about more and better jobs and good paying jobs. it's going to work in michigan. >> bill: i have got to ask you about detroit which is a city on the verge of collapse. we think mayor dave bing is a good guy. maybe i'm wrong. i don't follow it that closely. detroit has no money. can't pay its bills. who is going to bail out detroit or is the whole structure going to collapse. >> there is not going to be a bailout of detroit in terms of state resources. as a practical matter what the real issue is is
we didn't have right to work in michigan and in the last decade from 2000 to 2010 wages in michigan went down substantially. we went from being in the teens of the 50 states to being 40th. so we saw a significant drop not being a right-to-work state. the last couple years we started coming back up, i view this as an opportunity for more people to have work and to have better jobs. just this last week we are ranked number three for high tech job growth in the entire country. and if you look at...
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we didn't have right to work in michigan and in the last decade from 2000 to 2010 wages in michigan went down substantially. we went from being in the teens of the 50 states to being 40th. so we saw a significant drop not being a right-to-work state. the last couple years we started coming back up, i view this as an opportunity for more people to have work and to have better jobs. just this last week we are ranked number three for high tech job growth in the entire country. and if you look at most of those jobs aren't going to be unionized and they are going to be good paying jobs. this is all about more and better jobs and good paying jobs. it's going to work in michigan. >> bill: i have got to ask you about detroit which is a city on the verge of collapse. we think mayor dave bing is a good guy. maybe i'm wrong. i don't follow it that closely. detroit has no money. can't pay its bills. who is going to bail out detroit or is the whole structure going to collapse. >> there is not going to be a bailout of detroit in terms of state resources. as a practical matter what the real issue is is
we didn't have right to work in michigan and in the last decade from 2000 to 2010 wages in michigan went down substantially. we went from being in the teens of the 50 states to being 40th. so we saw a significant drop not being a right-to-work state. the last couple years we started coming back up, i view this as an opportunity for more people to have work and to have better jobs. just this last week we are ranked number three for high tech job growth in the entire country. and if you look at...
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thank you. >> now to lansing, michigan. protesters have invaded the michigan state capital over the right to work. >> the unions are on the ropes. [chanting] >> top democrats here in michigan say despite everything you see, despite all the show of force on the lawn forecast capital -- >> i wasn't talking to you. you put your hands on me, see what happens. >> this stage of the fight is really over. [chanting] >> in michigan it's going to play out just like it did in wisconsin. >> we are here to protest against right to work. >> this is giving workers the freedom to choose. >> what time is it? >> union time. >> what time is it? >> union time. >> what time is it. >> union time. >> the so-called right to work laws, they don't have to do with the economy, they have everything to do with politics. >> in the end it's a shakedown for political contributions and the democrats do well with unions so they want unions to be really powerful. >> the governor of michigan is one greedy nerd, and he's one weak geek, and we aren't going to t
thank you. >> now to lansing, michigan. protesters have invaded the michigan state capital over the right to work. >> the unions are on the ropes. [chanting] >> top democrats here in michigan say despite everything you see, despite all the show of force on the lawn forecast capital -- >> i wasn't talking to you. you put your hands on me, see what happens. >> this stage of the fight is really over. [chanting] >> in michigan it's going to play out just like it...
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[ laughter ] >> dude, you're from michigan, detroit, "8 mile." you've got to come up with better rhymes than, busting disgusting! if you want to win the rap battle-of-got to put some effort into it! you had one job at one factory. wouldn't you seize every benefit you could? yo! ♪ palms sweaty, knees weak, building chevys. ♪ ♪ like the volt, you plug it in and you win ecologically, because if it were an actual race, you would not ♪ ♪ actually, you have to go for the union or robots are going to take away our jobs ♪ ♪ or to the chinese kids with the tiny hands the work will go ♪ ♪ this opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo ♪ [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know militar
[ laughter ] >> dude, you're from michigan, detroit, "8 mile." you've got to come up with better rhymes than, busting disgusting! if you want to win the rap battle-of-got to put some effort into it! you had one job at one factory. wouldn't you seize every benefit you could? yo! ♪ palms sweaty, knees weak, building chevys. ♪ ♪ like the volt, you plug it in and you win ecologically, because if it were an actual race, you would not ♪ ♪ actually, you have to go for the...
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joining us now from lansing, michigan, the republican governor of michigan, governor rick snyder. the issue at hand, the lead story, and that's the right-to-work legislation. you say it's going to lead to more and better jobs for people in the state of michigan. how? >> well, it will. if you look at -- you just need to look to indiana which passed similar legislation back in february. and the track record's clear. they've had a lot of companies come to indiana and making that one of their decisions to look to indiana. in fact, they've had 31 different companies accept offers from the indiana economic development corporation since that time that are accounting for thousands of jobs. so it's clear that companies are now coming to indiana that previously didn't have them on the list. so it will lead to more and better jobs, and that will happen here in michigan as well. but this legislation was primarily about being pro-worker, about giving workers freedom of choice. but the second added benefit is this jobs effect. >> i'm not sure they're going to appeal that way. >> governor, you h
joining us now from lansing, michigan, the republican governor of michigan, governor rick snyder. the issue at hand, the lead story, and that's the right-to-work legislation. you say it's going to lead to more and better jobs for people in the state of michigan. how? >> well, it will. if you look at -- you just need to look to indiana which passed similar legislation back in february. and the track record's clear. they've had a lot of companies come to indiana and making that one of their...
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we have a michigan republican controlled legislature right now. is that why you dove into this now while you could? >> tracy, thanks for joining us. this is a monmental night because it's a monumental win for michigan's workers. we kept the focus on the workers, their freedom to choose which organizions to join and what they don't want to join. we know there were clashes. know people demonstrated inappropriately, but good stories as well. clnup happening on the lawn by the demonstrators, but the point is throughout it all, we haveto keep focus on people going to work every day to literally build our state. tracy: right, because now it's easier to woo companies into michigan to bring obs; right? the states like south carolina, alabama, texas, have seen a boom in companies coming to work there because, well, it's easier, and it's cheaper african-american they don't have to -- and they don't ha to deal with the unions. >> two policy conversations that happened, and then there was the political. the democrats and union bosses focused on the political,
we have a michigan republican controlled legislature right now. is that why you dove into this now while you could? >> tracy, thanks for joining us. this is a monmental night because it's a monumental win for michigan's workers. we kept the focus on the workers, their freedom to choose which organizions to join and what they don't want to join. we know there were clashes. know people demonstrated inappropriately, but good stories as well. clnup happening on the lawn by the demonstrators,...
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this was in the lansing, michigan. the republican dominated legislature passing laws restricting the unions of their power to requiring them to pay dues. his state is now the 24th to adopt the right to work law. grant? if . >> this is big. if your work place is unionized? the cannot opt out. you cannot keeping your job if you want to not to join the union. michigan is known as the 24th state. what is significant is that the other states are not as heavily industrialized as michigan. michigan has plenty of industry and it is heav heav-unionized. >> there are 50-the first right to work has created a firestorm. (chanting 'union) union members invade the michigan state house in lansing. as the republican dominated legislature passes laws stripping unions of their power to require michigan's governor quickly signed the legislation. his state is now the 24th to adopt what are calledhere in california, if your workplace is unionized, you can't opt out of joining the union. you can't keep your job without paying dues. but in m
this was in the lansing, michigan. the republican dominated legislature passing laws restricting the unions of their power to requiring them to pay dues. his state is now the 24th to adopt the right to work law. grant? if . >> this is big. if your work place is unionized? the cannot opt out. you cannot keeping your job if you want to not to join the union. michigan is known as the 24th state. what is significant is that the other states are not as heavily industrialized as michigan....
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first of all it got ugly in michigan, right to work laws the republicans are trying to push in. look what happened. >> he's got a gun! >> i'm going to tell you exactly how he got there. that was a fox contributor getting punched in the face. we'll tell you all about that in a minute. we'll go to zero dark 30. they got a torture scene in there. is that how we got bin laden? not at all. it makes me mad, as well. >> we've got fox on fox crime. >> all the white people didn't move. how great is that. >> i saw chris matthews on nbc i would say dog whistle. >> dog whistle. we'll talk to him later in the show. >> then we got oliver stone not a big deal. then we got richard rockefeller. i'll save it for later in the show. all right and plus, reality t.v. isn't real. who knew? crazy. it's go time. [ ♪ theme ♪ ] [ crowd chanting ] >> that's michigan, where the republicans are trying to jam through right to work laws. and 12,000 unionized workers showed up to protest. they reached capacity in the capitol building at 2,200. they shut out everybody else abc news report. >> michigan republ
first of all it got ugly in michigan, right to work laws the republicans are trying to push in. look what happened. >> he's got a gun! >> i'm going to tell you exactly how he got there. that was a fox contributor getting punched in the face. we'll tell you all about that in a minute. we'll go to zero dark 30. they got a torture scene in there. is that how we got bin laden? not at all. it makes me mad, as well. >> we've got fox on fox crime. >> all the white people didn't...
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michigan deemed itself a right-to-work state. with legal challenges and recall efforts already in the air, what is next for the state? does this mark the beginning of the end for unions? let's ask james shirk, and chip merlin. chip i'm going with you first, everyone wants to know the legal ramifications, can the unions come back to appeal this. >> they can try to appeal, whether or not they would win is anybody's guess, this equal protect argument, why did they carve out police officer and fire department, and everyone else is subject to this particular law that is not equal protect, the state of michigan will sapphire fighters and police are important to our public safety, why is withholding union dues related to safety. >> that part you say could makes it way to a courtroom? >> it could. >> we've seen in ohio and wisconsin, they unkid the limb -- unkid the limited part of the law for collective bargains. >> in wisconsin, the law was thrown out but it was a different law from here in michigan, the michigan law and i first impres
michigan deemed itself a right-to-work state. with legal challenges and recall efforts already in the air, what is next for the state? does this mark the beginning of the end for unions? let's ask james shirk, and chip merlin. chip i'm going with you first, everyone wants to know the legal ramifications, can the unions come back to appeal this. >> they can try to appeal, whether or not they would win is anybody's guess, this equal protect argument, why did they carve out police officer...
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not just in michigan but beyond michigan borders. >> one of the things i've watched the labor movement do over the last basically four or five years is a lot of the focus was on getting barack obama or a democrat elected president and also getting representatives and senators elected to washington. i think they took their eye off t ball some extnt inhes local races. well now we see what happens when you don't have the feet on the ground, the money in the local races, you end up with state legislatures that are unfriendly to labor causes. so i think the wake-up call for labor nationally to focus on some of these states. i'm thinking about ohio now. ohio passed and then repealed a limit on collective bargaining for public employees but it doesn't mean that the issue won't come up there again. states like pennsylvania are not right to work ates. there aretil oprtunites or the conrvate mement, the antilabor movement, to go in for right to work. i think someone maybe in the labor movement will say, okay, we draw a land in the sand with michigan. we can't let this spread any further because
not just in michigan but beyond michigan borders. >> one of the things i've watched the labor movement do over the last basically four or five years is a lot of the focus was on getting barack obama or a democrat elected president and also getting representatives and senators elected to washington. i think they took their eye off t ball some extnt inhes local races. well now we see what happens when you don't have the feet on the ground, the money in the local races, you end up with state...
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we don't care about the tools in wisconsin, indiana and michigan. because we this -- they have to learn that these republicans aren't going to do -- >> stephanie: thank you, liz. i enjoyed your work as charlie brown's teacher. i don't know what was wrong with that call. was it me? [ applause ] >> she was using her "sports illustrated" sneaker phone. or football phone. whatever. >> stephanie: something about republicans in michigan. wa wa. she had some good points. >> speak directly into the clown's mouth. >> stephanie: right, okay. would you like fries? >> i want fries! >> stephanie: senator tom harkin, democrat of iowa yesterday. >> all of you negotiators who are now negotiating on this so-called fiscal cliff and stuff. keep your hands off medicare and keep your hands off medicaid. >> stephanie: that's what i was just saying in the article on the hill. it warms the cockles of my liberal heart.
we don't care about the tools in wisconsin, indiana and michigan. because we this -- they have to learn that these republicans aren't going to do -- >> stephanie: thank you, liz. i enjoyed your work as charlie brown's teacher. i don't know what was wrong with that call. was it me? [ applause ] >> she was using her "sports illustrated" sneaker phone. or football phone. whatever. >> stephanie: something about republicans in michigan. wa wa. she had some good points....
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john in michigan. >> caller: hi, steph. yeah, i get a couple things for president obama in boulder. why don't we go back because ronald reagan is everybody's freakin' hero. >> stephanie: i thought you missed that and i caught it. still clinging to my fcc license. >> barely. okay. >> stephanie: don't scare an old woman like that. back with sexy [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: hello hour number three. jacki schechner we're having a little girl's night out. i was talking to you yesterday. you were saying i don't leave my house. because -- well, i don't leave my house and i don't like to drive. i found a solution. dog drives man in new zealand. they're training dogs to drive a car. i could get a little chauffeur's cap for max or fred. >> one problem. you don't live in new zealand. >> her dogs are big enough, they probably could drive a car. >> stephanie: they won't drive drunk or text. how bad could it be? >> they might be easily distracted. squirrel! >> stephanie: it's an idea. jacki schechner in the curr
john in michigan. >> caller: hi, steph. yeah, i get a couple things for president obama in boulder. why don't we go back because ronald reagan is everybody's freakin' hero. >> stephanie: i thought you missed that and i caught it. still clinging to my fcc license. >> barely. okay. >> stephanie: don't scare an old woman like that. back with sexy [ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: hello hour number three. jacki schechner we're having a little girl's night out. i was...
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>>> and michigan's governor signs the state's controversial new right-to-work law, but not before labor activists protest throughout the capital. captioning funded by cbs >>> >>> this is the "cbs morning news" for wednesday, december 12, 2012. >>> good morning, everybody. i'm terrell brown. good to be with you. >>> oregon officials have tentatively identify the gunman who opened fire at a business shopping mall. christmas music was playing as the lone gunman fired shots yesterday afternoon near the food court at one of portland's largest shopping malls. the gunman killed two people and seriously wounded another before taking his own life. one witness heard him say, "i am the shooter," as he fired dozens of rounds into the machlt bigad shaban is live. good morning to you. >> reporter: terrell, good morning to you. it's an eerie and quiet scene here. it's a much different scene than yesterday when that masked gunman began firing inside one of the busiest malls in the portland area. cell phone video shows police escorting shoppers to safety, and the first moments after a masked gunman open
>>> and michigan's governor signs the state's controversial new right-to-work law, but not before labor activists protest throughout the capital. captioning funded by cbs >>> >>> this is the "cbs morning news" for wednesday, december 12, 2012. >>> good morning, everybody. i'm terrell brown. good to be with you. >>> oregon officials have tentatively identify the gunman who opened fire at a business shopping mall. christmas music was playing...
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this fight is not over. >> we are going to get to michigan in a moment. first we want to bring in today's political power panel and dig in on the big topics of the day. msnbc contributor joy ann reid, also managing editor for the grio. msnbc contributor ari melber, correspondent for the nation and republican strategist alice stewart. great to see all three of you. joy ann, moments ago, boehner saying the sides are far apart. the cliff 20 days away. the posturing continues with the presidential politics and the president saying this is going to happen. so why can't these two men meet in the middle? >> it's interesting, because you're hearing in the public pronouncements almost no movement. the president reportedly lowered his target on tax, you know, revenue from 1.6 to 1.4. boehner stayed exactly the same, 800 billion. they are differing on how to get there. they are still saying the same things they have always been saying but then you have other reports in the "wall street journal" and bloomberg that behind the scenes the staffs are talking real numbers
this fight is not over. >> we are going to get to michigan in a moment. first we want to bring in today's political power panel and dig in on the big topics of the day. msnbc contributor joy ann reid, also managing editor for the grio. msnbc contributor ari melber, correspondent for the nation and republican strategist alice stewart. great to see all three of you. joy ann, moments ago, boehner saying the sides are far apart. the cliff 20 days away. the posturing continues with the...
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. >> plus, fighting the poll gram in michigan. the plan to fight for democracy, the right wing media distracts with this. [bleep]. >> we'll tell you what's really happening and why they have it all wrong. you're watchi ining "politics nation" on msnbc. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's not real. geico's customer satisfaction is quite real though. this computer-animated coffee tastes dreadful. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15 % or more on car insurance. someone get me a latte will ya, please? up high! ok. don't you have any usefull apps on that thing? who do you think i am, quicken loans? ♪ at quicken loans, our amazingly useful mortgage calculator app allows you to quickly calculate your mortgage payment based on today's incredibly low interest rates... right from your iphone or android smartphone. one more way
. >> plus, fighting the poll gram in michigan. the plan to fight for democracy, the right wing media distracts with this. [bleep]. >> we'll tell you what's really happening and why they have it all wrong. you're watchi ining "politics nation" on msnbc. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example,...
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melissa: union anger explodes in michigan. the state passes right-to-work law, dealing a huge punch to union power. but they are not going down without aight. the economic fault lines could spread across the country. also, "money" tonight, a crash for gas prices. they are tumbling across the u.s. it's an early christmas gift for drivers but we'll tell you if the relief will last through the new year. >>> pepsi is crazy in love with beyonce. the music icon inks a $50 million deal to pitch its products. can she really make you stop drinking coke though? i say pepsi just got hosed. but a top mketing expert is here to disagree with me. even when they say it's not it is always about money melissa: firss, let's look at the day's market headlines of the leave it to congress to suck the air out of a good thing. stocks soared in early trading on hopes of a deal on the fiscal cliff. but a parade of speeches by congressional leaders this afternoon dump ad whole lot of water on the rally. stocks pared back from session highs. dow closed d
melissa: union anger explodes in michigan. the state passes right-to-work law, dealing a huge punch to union power. but they are not going down without aight. the economic fault lines could spread across the country. also, "money" tonight, a crash for gas prices. they are tumbling across the u.s. it's an early christmas gift for drivers but we'll tell you if the relief will last through the new year. >>> pepsi is crazy in love with beyonce. the music icon inks a $50 million...
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right to work law in michigan. that is the union paradise. let's bring in robert costa who by the way is the newly reported national review editor. congrats on your promotion. i wanted to ask you. if it could happen in michigan a right to work law that gives individuals real choice where next? >> look republicans had a horrible 2012 but they still hold seats. they have an appetite for having labor fights. you are going to see them go into pennsylvania. it could happen. a lot of governors are going to start looking at their own states. does this slow that down? does it remind mr. obama and his left of center allies what happened in wisconsin they tried to recall the governor and it didn't work. and now it is spreading to michigan. does it have political implications in dc? sure. that is the big story right now. he has spoken to the workers protesting in the streets. this is the second term battle. how he is going to stand with the unions. go after them. how dbig a force are they going to be on the national stage? >> you are going to see them r
right to work law in michigan. that is the union paradise. let's bring in robert costa who by the way is the newly reported national review editor. congrats on your promotion. i wanted to ask you. if it could happen in michigan a right to work law that gives individuals real choice where next? >> look republicans had a horrible 2012 but they still hold seats. they have an appetite for having labor fights. you are going to see them go into pennsylvania. it could happen. a lot of governors...
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and how he feels about michigan now becoming a right-to-work state. more from the street when we come back. [ male announcer ] this is steve.
and how he feels about michigan now becoming a right-to-work state. more from the street when we come back. [ male announcer ] this is steve.
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to locate in michigan. we're the automobile manufacturer of the world and we need to have a open sign on that. i think this is also a step that we will not take workers rights for granted. it is all about worker empowerment and worker choice. bill: it is an economic earthquake in michigan. thank you for your time. >> thank you very much. bill: all right. 18 past the hour. martha. martha: there are some new concerns about a hidden fee that is just coming to light to pay for obamacare. the $25 billion price tag on this little-known tax will affect everyone of us. we'll tell you what it is. bill: we'll get back to this tragic mall shooting in oregon. the height of the mall shopping season. inside the mind of a shooter and an update from police on a possible motive this story. >> for all of us the mall is supposed to be a place we can all take our families. feel comfortable this is a great place, especially at the holiday season like this. [ male announcer ] when was the last time something made your jaw drop?
to locate in michigan. we're the automobile manufacturer of the world and we need to have a open sign on that. i think this is also a step that we will not take workers rights for granted. it is all about worker empowerment and worker choice. bill: it is an economic earthquake in michigan. thank you for your time. >> thank you very much. bill: all right. 18 past the hour. martha. martha: there are some new concerns about a hidden fee that is just coming to light to pay for obamacare. the...
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michigan was a rich state. today we're a poor state. we want to return michigan to economic growth, and we know this governor and legislative leaders are dedicated to this. what's special about these people that demonstrated here today, when this passes they can still belong to a union. they still have that free choice. nothing changes for them. this is a win/win for everybody. >> so you're not -- just to make this clear, mr. king, you're the president of an international union. you were elected and you serve and you get paid by the union. i understand that. i just want to understand what this other fellow, how he finances his being here today because there's a real question whether you're a front for the owners, for the people that really don't like unions, and you tell me you're not -- you won't answer the question who is paying your salary. that's all i want to know. who is paying you? >> we have over 3,000 donors. americans for prosperity. i told you. we're a nonprofit like the red cross, like any other nonprofit organization. we're
michigan was a rich state. today we're a poor state. we want to return michigan to economic growth, and we know this governor and legislative leaders are dedicated to this. what's special about these people that demonstrated here today, when this passes they can still belong to a union. they still have that free choice. nothing changes for them. this is a win/win for everybody. >> so you're not -- just to make this clear, mr. king, you're the president of an international union. you were...
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we want that here in michigan. the difference between michigan and indiana is indiana is a red state. they did not vote for the president this year. this state voted for the president by nine points, so the question is, in two years, when we possibly have a new governor, possibly a new legislature, does this get overturned. will companies be willing to really come in and plant their foot here and create jobs here? that's a big question. >> they may have voted for a democratic president but they have both an assembly and senate that are majority republican. stand by for a moment. i want to bring in john avlon to bring us perspective on this. break it down, when we talk about the employment economies of states that are right to work states and states that are not right to work states. is one better than the other? >> this really gets to the heart of cutting through the spin, because there are so many partisan special interests that do the analysis. we called the bureau of labor statistics. it is clear that right to w
we want that here in michigan. the difference between michigan and indiana is indiana is a red state. they did not vote for the president this year. this state voted for the president by nine points, so the question is, in two years, when we possibly have a new governor, possibly a new legislature, does this get overturned. will companies be willing to really come in and plant their foot here and create jobs here? that's a big question. >> they may have voted for a democratic president...
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it happened yesterday in michigan. michigan became the 24th state to pass right to work legislation. what that means is you no long have to join a union. >> brian: you can if you want! you absolutely can. >> steve: you just don't have to join it. which is terrific because there are a lot of people who don't want to. you look at right to work states versus unionized states and right to work states, people actually are doing quite well when it comes to unemployment. this all got started with a one-day drive last week that really surprised the united auto workers, otherwise they would have had their ducks lined up in a row before that. it turned into the legislation that passed and was signed by the governor yesterday. if you missed how it all came together, let's take you back a couple of days. start with the president of the united states when he was actually in michigan and bring you up to yesterday. >> what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your rights to bargain for better wages. they're talking about givi
it happened yesterday in michigan. michigan became the 24th state to pass right to work legislation. what that means is you no long have to join a union. >> brian: you can if you want! you absolutely can. >> steve: you just don't have to join it. which is terrific because there are a lot of people who don't want to. you look at right to work states versus unionized states and right to work states, people actually are doing quite well when it comes to unemployment. this all got...
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this is going to move michigan forward. it's going to move our state forward, allow us to compete for great paying jobs. we believe the uaw, they're going to have to be competitive, they're going to have to earn the dues from those union members and from the people on the line, and it they earn them and they're competitive, they will stay in the union, and they will keep their membership. so i think they're up to the task. i think they're up to being competitive just like everyone else in our society, and we look forward to them being more responsive to workers. >> one last question, i know the funding relationship of mr. king. as i said, he was elected president of an international union with a good reputation. your organization i want to know more about. again, for the fifth time, who pays your salary? >> i told you i work for americans for prosperity. >> who pays your salary? >> i told you, americans for prosperity. >> and who is that? >> that's a nonprofit. we have over 87,000 activists. >> are the koch brothers behind
this is going to move michigan forward. it's going to move our state forward, allow us to compete for great paying jobs. we believe the uaw, they're going to have to be competitive, they're going to have to earn the dues from those union members and from the people on the line, and it they earn them and they're competitive, they will stay in the union, and they will keep their membership. so i think they're up to the task. i think they're up to being competitive just like everyone else in our...
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it's about those new right to work signs in michigan yesterday. the detroit free press is out with an editorial saying unions need to remind people who life was like without them. unions built the middle class and improved the standard of living for workers. do you think unions helped grow the middle class. go to facebook."news nation" to cast the vote. that does it for us. thanks for joining us. patty murray, former pennsylvania governor and the daily beast will all join the "news nation." the cycle is up next. you ever notice that some people just have a knack for giving the perfect gift? they put real thought into it. and find just... the right...thing. how do they do that? more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. pick up a ridgid jobmax multi-tool starter kit and get a free head attachment.
it's about those new right to work signs in michigan yesterday. the detroit free press is out with an editorial saying unions need to remind people who life was like without them. unions built the middle class and improved the standard of living for workers. do you think unions helped grow the middle class. go to facebook."news nation" to cast the vote. that does it for us. thanks for joining us. patty murray, former pennsylvania governor and the daily beast will all join the...